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They continue to stand back up. they go back in. so you have these pressures on these teams. but when you look at that video, i have to assume that a priori, any mission, that there was a conversation inside the platoon that said, look, guys, we've got some challenges. let's address those. if those conversations were heated, i got it, it sounds like people didn't follow that input in terms of execution on the mission. but if they didn't have those conversations, you have more than just a fractured cohesion within that team. you've got a real breakdown in terms of leadership challenges and, aga...

Had a challenge for 18 years. you have these pressures on these teams but when you look at that video, i have to assume that our priority any mission, there were conversations that say we have some challenges, let's follow those. if they didn't have those conversations, you have more than just a fractured cohesion within that team, you've got a real breakdown in terms of leadership challenges and again, as i said, i can't extrapolate out to the force but this needs to be addressed. >> to keep it specific, phillip, you know, we're not used to hearing seal team members talk about one another thi...

Even political appointees, at times raising concerns with the conduct of the president and people around him. it's stepping up to and over the line. >> carrie, you know, williams testified today that she did make a note of the call. she didn't raise her concerns to superiors which i think is important to note and she did have her concerns and she put the transcript of the call which we have all seen and the topic of military aid and the president says first a favor and she puts it in pence's briefing binder and here's pence being asked about that being put in his binder. here is his response. ...

So, if ever there is a question about whether there ought to be a hearing, i fall on the side of "yeah, we ought to look into it." it may be nothing come or it may be something there. >> harris: that is pretty generic. okay. >> it is. if you want to bring in -- go ahead. >> harris: i just want to make it specific to matthew whitaker, though. this is something that some democrats have said "he should have recused himself from the russian investigation." from our own reporting, it wasn't like he had his hands right in their right off the bat, anyway. jeff sessions left, he moved in temporarily, ...

Wakro. is it specific -- is it amplified because of the number of problemees in the trump family and the amount of travel? >> the pay cap has always been a problem for the secret service. >> there's a pay cap for what? >> for agents. they can only make a certain amount of money with their base salary, and overtime pay. they can only max out at a certainly level. >> you have the perfect storm now. you have a problem that's been consistent with the secret service year oever year a you have a president traveling significantly, and a shortage of available manpower the retention rate has been going...