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Let's listen to what mr. del tufo had to say earlier today on msnbc. >> it seems as if more things are popping up. and i wouldn't be surprised if there were a potential rico case here that the enterprise would be the governor's office or the state of new jersey and the offenses would involve bridgegate, would involve hoboken and would also involve hunterdon county, which is something that has not been addressed very clearly. >> let me go to stan brand. what jumps out at me after looking at hundreds of these cases, you have very familiar with these kinds of cases, the hunterdon case, if it's tr...

And if it is, that's very good corroborating evidence. >> well, i'm going back to the points of issue here. again, you're the lawyer. if you can say that federal funding was denied somebody which was appropriately due them, and you can produce corroborating evidence, contemporary testimony in the form of a diary entry, don't you have a pretty good case to take to a grand jury in that instance? >> if you have those things, yes. >> well, you got 'em! >> no. what is missing here, chris, is that the christie administration did deny funds to hoboken as a result of her refusal to approve that projec...

Occurred. >> well, that's what i'm asking. that's the case here. that's the matter here. back to michael. that is the matter. these are all allegations and only at that stage. but if these are proven, what are we talking about here if not rico? what are we talking about? >> look, there could be multiple crimes. but normally what the fbi would have wanted in a case like this is after the lieutenant governor made the statements that dawn zimmer said she made would have been for dawn zimmer to come to the fbi and they would wire her and then follow it through and get it on tape and be able to pro...

Missing a lot of pieces yet. >> okay. let's go to the house. let's go to the big development today. the house and the senate in trenton have done something a lot of people were worry they'd wouldn't do. they have combined forces. they have formed a joint committee of the house in the senate legislative investigative committees there. it's called a super committee. they've got the same guy, reid schar, who is this top flight guy coming in from the fitzgerald case -- or actually the blagojevich case out in illinois which he won that prosecution. let me go to stan. does this look like an importan...

Rockefeller group. and we don't know if they exist at this point. >> and the u.s. attorney, a democratic appointee is not going to bring a rico case based on a swearing contest between the lieutenant governor and the mayor of hoboken. he is going to want what we lawyers call corroboration. is the contemporaneous evidence that substantiates and will allow them to prove in front of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that these things actually occurred. >> let's go to that point, stan. if you have a diary entry which is scribbled in a diary and can be ascertained to be authentic by experts in real-...