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Goes along with it, congress won't change. >> i've said this for years and screaming to the high heavens and raising the roof with my rage, the amount of spending out of washington and lack of action to fix entitlements, medicare and social security. however, we have the united states is now still able to borrow at less than 3% a year over ten years because the yield on the 10-year treasury because the market refuses to come down. until the borrowing and interest rates are under control-- >> and 22, 23 becomes 25, 30. i think they're saying to your point about dwarfing our gdp and soon 35 tril...

Medicare for example if we don't do anything by 2023. not in some distant three decades from now. and so it all matters. the truth is this debt limit is one place where we can bring the president to the table and hopefully require him to take a look at the tax reform that can jump-start the economy. take a look at the kind of reforms that would help fix entitlements. those opportunities don't come every day. the debt limit is probably our next opportunity this fall. >> we appreciate it. patriots fan. good luck to them. up next a small town with a very big vote ahead. why the coal industry an...

This weekend on huckabee, lindsay graham erj go president obama with an alternative plan. he is calling a big deal. listen? >> the next time that i would put revenue on the table, flatten the tax code and make it fair and pay down some debt and lower rates for entitlement reform. next time republican should agree to do revenue is when democrats agree to fix entitlements, do the big deal. mr. president, have a legacy worthy of being president. do the big deal. quit playing small ball. >> heather: trey harden is former republican campaign manager and aide to the g.o.p. christie is spokesperson f...

>> goes further to fix the debt crisis. >> the argument is simply, hey, take that issue off the table politically you're letting the president hammer the republicans, if you will, hammer you on looking like you're protecting the top 2% them you can have the real debate you want to have. >> what was the president talking about during the campaign? a balanced approach and that balanced approach to fix this trillion dollar deficit was one way to reduce spending, fix entitlements and raise revenue and everyone has to sit together to fix that problem. this is not just about tax increases which does...

Medicare. >> that doesn't get us anyone. if paul ryan knows his numbers he is thought allowed to speak about the numbers by the romney campaign. romney campaign distanced themselves from paul ryan and the republican budget. >>shepard: is that true? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. he said we will not be ideologue. the first year paul ryan introduced the budget it was a proposal to save medicare and to fix entitlements and ron wyden, a liberal democrat from oregon, said he wanted to work with us because he wanted to solve the problems. so the second year --. >>shepard: medicare is a guarantee...