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Gates can fix measure, richard branson and michael bloomberg can fix climate change. you're saying falling into the trap of conflating wealth with a public serviceman date or the ability to help the country is broadly a problem across the political spectrum. >> it's absolutely bipartisan. more and more we have been outsoou outsourcing problems that we used to tackle as democracies, as collective problems, to wealthy individuals through their foundations and imagining that because they manage to get unspeakably rich in one area, then they must kind of understand everything. i'll give bill gates...

And so on, but if you think about "the apprentice," if you think about what he has been selling all of these years, it's being the boss that gets to do whatever he wants because of his wealth, right? it's that dream of absolute freedom and power that comes with money. that's what he's been selling all of these years. so the trouble is how do you hold someone responsible when their brand is impunity. i mean you can lie as much as you want, you can cheat as much as you want, as long as you're still on top. i think we see that what hurts him are things that threaten that essence of his brand. tha...