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To policy and really make a case to voters as to why democrats are in a better space. i hate the term "hearts and minds" but the democrats do have to figure out how to win the hearts and minds of voters. just campaigning against donald trump won't be enough. >> getting rid of the individual mandate, according to the experts, is probably going to make premiums rise about 10%. when average users of obamacare sees that, who owns it then? is it the republicans that own it or the democrats? >> it's republicans who own it because donald trump is president, he's republican and republicans control the...

Into question the investigation and information that came from it. so i think bacari is right on this, tainting the investigation with allegations of bias animal practice is all about the future, not really about the present. >> let's talk about obamacare now because the president is also tweeting saying that the individual mandate in obamacare is gone. republicans and democrats will work on a bipartisan agreement on health care. should the democrats put their frustration a side and help the gob work on a fix now, is that likely you think? >> no, that's already happening. what most people don'...

Areas that have lots of women voters. so i think the republicans are go in a very precarious situation in 2018. >> should democrats run on impeachment, steve? >> i think -- i don't think democrats do run on impeachment. i think rick's right. democrats are going to run against donald trump. there's plenty to run on here. you have tax reform, you have what's going on with health care, they continue to dismantle it even though the evidence suggests that people are embracing obamacare more than ever. and you've got an incredibly historically unpopular president. so you don't even really need to go...

Better grocery store. so that's where we are with obamacare. don't miss -- i don't think people -- the democrats should misunderstand that just because nine million people signed up doesn't mean they like it. there's lots of room for improvement in obamacare, especially with the premiums. and while it is true that premiums will go up, they'll go up on people like me, but they won't go up on the poor because the law says that the poor will get commensurate subsidies to offset those premium rises so it will be the middle-class who gets hurt. >> let's talk about russia. is that going to be a bigg...

But it's out there. it's just drowned out by this president. again, it just brings out the worst. >> and it's poisoned by the president. there was a path to do health care reform with members from both parties. that if republicans had given up repeal and democrats had come to the table ready to fix, there could have been something. >> absolutely. >> it's also about missed opportunity? >> it's also because he doesn't understand the underlying policy. if you take repeal off the table, of course democrats will come to the table and try to fix obamacare because everyone acknowledges that there are...