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You have the fed monetizing debt. he will some day understand that which he won't so we'll to change the system. >> you go back to the austrian theory. you break it down very easily. you said as soon as we go to this lord kinsean way of thinking, that's when everything gets off the rails and goes back to what bernanke is doing. >> yeah, he's an economic planner. the worst thing you can do is fix prices. when you fix prices, you destroy the market. the great austrian economist said socialism would never work because there's no pricing structure but the money is 1/2 of every transaction. yet, be...

And fix prices? one that started in 1945 and has no -- no -- no legal or moral justification in 2010? >> well, joe, i think you're absolutely right, that the antitrust exemption is long overdue for repeal, and it's why an overwhelming majority of the house republicans and democrats voted to do just that, to take away that mccaron/ferguson exemption. i hope the senate steps up and does that. in the meantime, we need transparency about what in the world is going on. we're talking about people that have the leverage in the new market place. exchange if health reform passes. some kind of ability t...

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