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And budget and former member of the house of representatives, mick mulvaney. mick, welcome back. >> good morning. >> john kelly was brought in to be chief of staff to cut down on what looked to be public drama. from the outside, it looks like the drama is back. is it? >> no. and from the inside there was never that much drama in the first place. what i can tell you has changed is the flow of information to the president, the flow of information from different people, from different sources. it is a much more orderly and aligned west wing than it was previously, and i think the president is e...

Little bit more serious. but the idea that republicans are softening on this, it's a tone that may be a little bit different but it's not a policy saying you want to kick this to the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms saying it's legal means you're just trying to avoid some type of legislation. until congress does something, it's hard to see that issue resolved. >> the debate never sparks up when there is not an incident. >> exactly. there is never a good time to have the debate, but you don't have the debate when nothing happened, and then when the worst mass shooting in modern american ...

To gary, indiana. you go across state lines and you can have the toughest gun laws you want in the world, but if you go across state lines, that's why they want federal. >> i think what doesn't get focused on enough is the amount of people across the country use guns to solve problems. >> is the right to bear arms unlimited or is there a limit? >> the second amendment really predates the bill of rights. our founding fathers want gun rights for our citizens. they didn't put it in the constitution because they didn't think it would be in jeopardy, but later you saw attempts to take it away, so t...

>> it's an interesting point and seems like an untenable situation. the comments we heard from the president undercuts the secretary of state and it's the latest example of that. he's done it on a whole range of issues. >> all right. i'm going to move to the harvey weinstein news. it was -- you know, it's like his defense of it was just awful, saying i was a product of the culture in the '60s and '70s. but what's disturbing is liberal hollywood, which has been promoting the rights of women and here was somebody who publicly promoted it and practiced hypocrisy. >> there have been stories for ye...

Flight -- >> you were on the manifest. >> -- i was on the manifest and i ended up flying the next day. but when the federal government is looking at each of these agencies, every single one of these flights will be legal. the policy that we put out last week -- >> what's ethical. >> right, what's necessarily legal isn't necessarily right. i think what we did is, john kelly and i last week got together and came out with this statement of policy that says, look, you can fly, it's reasonable under certain circumstances, but it needs to be the hard exception. there are going to be times when ryan ...