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Can you see them doubling down on we're the stand party vs. the kneel party. listen, we're lit celebrating that in this country these days unfortunately. how sacred sour anthem and our flag and historical monuments and things like that. all very mixed and muddied it doesn't surprise me though that they are doubling down. jason: political sides put away, it's our freedom of speech in this country that makes us great. i talked to two military people thursday night. one a 70-year-old vet and another a marine. i fought for the right and opportunity for you to make those decisions in america to hav...

Dissidents are patriots. schoolteachers and social workers ar patriots and yet at yankee stadium, shift sports, not only play the national anthem before the game but "god bless america" at the seventh inning stretch every year and say, please rise as the yankees honor a military guest. i have no problem with that. i stand every time i'm in the ballpark no matter what it is, i stand. and certainly respect the military person they bring out there. but never a schoolteacher, or social worker. patriotism comes in many forms, and what has happened is that it's been conflated with -- with kind of a ...

Dissent. but they talk about planes flying. they call it flag-waving. bob costas. that's just flag-waving. if you dissent, who that's patriotic. >> jesse: there's a big disconnect between fans out there. only a few players doing that. the owners are caving because they don't want to upset a few of their players. people don't like this, dana. >> dana: i think what they are going to see it as it will down to high school, college, little league. my team stood in your team didn't. you imagine the parents of these teams? civility hangs by a thread and i think that was one of the complaints about, p...

Civil war, see it again with the civil rights movement, and we're seeing it now around the removal of confederate icons. but the people who are attracted to it, i mean, unfortunately now given the proliferation of these groups online, anyone with a browser can find these ideas and become engrossed in them and start to believe the conspiracies that shape them. >> i guess what i was trying to figure out is, are we at the nature or nurture kind of question? i mean, do you have to be brought up in a family where there is hate to identify with this kind of hatred? what do we know about this, james?...

Martha. >> how do you think you ended up on that list? >> well, i was tough on trump during the campaign. wrote a long time back maybe a year and a half ago that he was making me nervous about the talk of of people with disability, about mocking women. e was getting out of control and i said look, this is getting close to kind of hitlerite flag waving. there were a lot of alt-right groups coming out saying, yeah, go for it. i was tough on him, appropriately so. proud of it. i think he's toned it down a little bit. >> you said, all trump is missing are brown shirts. he has all of the rest. dism...