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>> you're not going to go speak with them? >> i don't have anything to say. >> now, aside from the thoughts of maybe he was building a legal case or legal defense, listen -- he was just involved in an altercation, listen how calm he seems talking in the middle of all this. does that say anything to you, jeff? >> absolutely. here we're looking at a person who is in such a state earlier, allegedly breaking things, threatening another individual. now all of a sudden he's so calm. we call that flat affect. it's inappropriate for the situation he's in. part of that is because he's manipulating the ...

He had a flat affect, blah, blah, blah. so i mean, those kinds of things to me are sensational. they aren't really evidence. i think the devastating thing for the defense they really have to kind of handle and somehow mute is the fact that the daughters are there in court thinking that their father is a murderer. that is -- if you're the defense lawyer, to me that is the single worst fact i have to deal with. because that's the perception that those jurors are going to have. those jurors are going to be very swayed by that even if they are not supposed to be. >> someone's over here being anima...

He had a flat affect, blah, blah, blah. so i mean, those kinds of things to me are sensational. they aren't really evidence. i think the devastating thing for the defense they really have to kind of handle and somehow mute is the fact that the daughters are there in court thinking that their father is a murderer. that is -- if you're the defense lawyer, to me that is the single worst fact i have to deal with. because that's the perception that those jurors are going to have. those jurors are going to be very swayed by that even if they are not supposed to be. >> someone's over here being anima...

My opinion as far as what was going on, what he was in the middle of. it just seemed ta something was going on with him. >> would you call that sort of in generic terms a flat affect as to what was happening? >> generic terms, yes. >> okay. >> did that cause you concern that he had, in fact gone through a traumatic event and his response was a flat affect about itting? >> yes, it did. >> do you make anything of that, danny? people react in different ways to stress and being in the middle of i guess a shooting hike this. >> i think that was terrific cross-examination because it brings out yes, ...

>> he appeared to be lacking in my opinion as far as what was going on, what he was in the middle of. it just seemed that something was going on with him. >> would you call that sort of in generic terms a flat affect as to what was happening? >> generic terms, yes. >> okay. >> did that cause you concern that he had, in fact gone through a traumatic event and his response was a flat affect about it? >> to some point, yes, it did. >> do you make anything of that, danny? people react in different ways to stress and being in the middle of i guess a shooting like this. >> i think that was terrific ...