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Them in a cold eye fashion. trump has completely obliterated this, so he goes and says nice things about evil people which doesn't help unless you believe that flattering them, flattering people who are beyond the reach of flattery, i would imagine is the way to get them to do what you want. >> that's what works with trump. >> right. >> if flattery works with him he assumes flattery works with others. >> to john's point, we all politique and that is how he's talked about muhammad bin salman. he was taken strategically because if you look at the timing of it, it was three days before kim jong-u...

The fbi and they are true exp t experts as what they do. >> we keep repeating rule one in this kind of thing, never lie to the feds. yet we keep seeing that offense committed amongst smart people. >> that's right. i don't think they understand, their defense counsel surely do, but each individual count of 1,001, what you're referring to, lying to a federal official or fbi agent, carries five years in jail. and a lot of the charges that you've seen placed on manafort are heavy, heavy hits. he is looking at a substantial amount of jail time if all those go to court and he loses that battle. >> r...

I think it's sending a clear message people need to understand that he's looking deep and hard into this investigation. he's assembled, brian, one of the best teams i've ever seen. i know most the people on his team. i've either worked with them or been around them in my career in the fbi and they are true experts as what they do. >> we keep repeating rule one in this kind of thing, never lie to the feds. yet we keep seeing that offense committed amongst smart people. >> that's right. i don't think they understand, their defense counsel surely do, but each individual count of 1,001, what you'r...