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From trump's point of view was ruining his presidency and casting a shadow over everything he did. >> so it's this -- is this as far as your reporting indicates the last time that there was this kind of meeting between the president's lawyers and mueller himself? >> so no, we did report about another meeting after john dowd then the lead attorney resigned in late march. there was one more when rudy giuliani came on the scene, yeah, just this month. i'm sorry, fib me in late april. i want to say it's last week and it feels like a month ago. it was just last week. and in that session, rudy giuli...

Show than a top flight litigator or criminal defense attorney. he was the one that wrote down this list of questions, top picks that we're now seeing. is that correct? >> yes, i think there's been a lot of confusion about these questions. >> agreed. >> they were not provided by mueller's office to trump's lawyers. what happened was, the march 5th meeting sets in motion a lot of anxiety, one trump's lawyers know that maybe mueller is game to subpoena the president. which would be a big deal. akin to the time that ken starr subpoenaed bill clinton. they also asked for more information about the ...