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Get to where that comes from. why they want to do it that way, but does it work? flint's had an emergency manager. >> we already did this in the last decade. flint already did it. it didn't do any good in part because the emergency was 30 years ago. the emergency is long past. our peak employment was 1978. it's been downhill ever since. flint and the state of michigan has been going 34 years now through this. >> there's this idea that where there's big problems or there's big challenges, democracy is too slow or too inefficient or something. one person acting unilaterally can really get it don...

That are in trouble is that you have to first stop local democra democracy. then you can get to work on fixing these things. >> right. we have to burn down the village in order to save it. >> yes. whether or not it is -- we'll get to where that comes from. why they want to do it that way, but does it work? flint's had an emergency manager. >> we already did this in the last decade. it didn't do any good in part because the emergency was 30 years ago. the emergency is long past. our peak employment was 1978. it's been downhill ever since. flint and the state of michigan has been going 34 years ...