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This white house. what we've seen in the past is what he's done is something damaging or striking or staggering or shocking to deflect. look at these investigations. >> and by the way, mika, as you're looking at those investigations, the one he fears the most into the trump organization from new york state because there is no pardoning power there. that was the trigger to all of this. that is what he fears the most, that the trump organization, now under investigation, can bring out indictments of himself and his children, indictments that he has no power to pardon. >> so my question to susan ...

Ryan has done the most creative thinking. the book he wrote is a very important book one which i would hope people would look at seriously. he's very knowledgeable and bright about this program. >> greta: jobless numbers peupbgt they went up last week. what is -- numbers disappointing, they went up last week. what is going to happen there. from '09 disappointing, so now what? >> i think first of all, we have to recognize that if you have a job-killing fill alsoy, job-killing tax increases, job-killing financial regulation bill, job-killing health bill if your attitude towards businesses kills ...

>> greta: let they stop you there. if it had been the flip decision to every one of those things that you listed we would be having a roaring economy at this point? are you satisfying they are so dead wrong that we would be soaring right now? >> i think if you took congressman jordan's american economic freedom act, which has 50% reductions social security medicare tax for a year. 100% expensing for all investments for small business. it has zero capital gains tax, zero death tax and 12 1/2 president rate for core right tax, excuse me, a program like that i think would lead to a very dramatic ...

There. if it had been the flip decision to every one of those things that you listed we would be having a roaring economy at this point? are you satisfying they are so dead wrong that we would be soaring right now? >> i think if you took congressman jordan's american economic freedom act, which has 50% reductions social security medicare tax for a year. 100% expensing for all investments for small business. it has zero capital gains tax, zero death tax and 12 1/2 president rate for core right tax, excuse me, a program like that i think would lead to a very dramatic increase in the economy. thi...