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>> of course i do. >> victims of gun violence i brought up people in chicago and philadelphia. >> not once suggesting we should do anything to figure out dsh zbloosh we should. we should. >> but every time mental illness is brought up the left goes, oh, no, no, no. >> that's not true. >> absolutely. >> it was the left. >> american psychological association come out against it. don't -- no because now we are putting a bad reputation on people with mental illness. >> why is your. >> that's why is your president a flip flopper that's the question what does he believe. >> again he didn't get anywh...

Fighting al qaeda. >> well, you know, this is a place where tulsi gabbard should be the strongest, but in my point, she's the weakest. she is a flip flopper. she's waivered on this. in 2015, 2014 receiving pats on the back from shell matterson, same tulsi gabbard meeting up with iran. to say she's got some explaining to do is an under statement. what are her motivations to equate saudi arabia to iran is one thing, but over having policy agreements with saudi arabia is really puzzling to me. this is an international network. >> dana: from a debate standpoint, she was so effective at skewer with...

Look, i think we need to have a change of heart, we need to publicly disavow that stance we took with ryan. his guys said, what are you crazy? we just wrote this op-ed. the decision was do we get accused of being a flip-flopper now or allow trump it bludgeon us on the issue of trade? it speaks volumes about where people were at that point in the party because, again, you spoke to it a second ago. the rate of change is what is so whiplash-inducing at this point. this didn't happen over a period of 30 or 40 or 50 years, you can even consolidate it down into a period of 36 months in which some co...

With before. >> it's one of the best stories that got no attention at the time. very little attention at the time. was that in the heat of the 2016 campaign, paul ryan and ted cruz, who did not get along, these two guys wrote a joint op-ed in "usa today" endorsing tpa, basically the legislation that would have given then president obama the ability to negotiate trade agreements. >> trans-pacific partnership. >> and ted cruz, about three weeks after this op-ed published, and, again, he's in the middle of this, you know, hotly-contested primary against donald trump and ted cruz and his team, who...

With trump he's also putting himself -- >> let me push back on that. david, i want to bring you in. my feeling is that is the right strategy for him, because at the end of the day people want the anti-trump. i also have a theory, and we'll start to see now, people want him so badly or what they perceive to be the best anti-trump, they're going to let things slide off him. they're going to let him be a flip-flopper. so we'll see in the next few days, if my theory is right, i want to bounce it off you. >> senior democratic congressman james clyburn has largely given biden a pass on this, and he'...