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Genuine challenge for hillary clinton whose authenticity in some people's eyes has not been sufficient. obviously, against sanders who's viewed as utterly authentic and as you heard in the clip of the conversation, among the topics part of the blistering accusations of clinton is an idea of a flip-flopper. not a true blue believer and only become this much of a progressive in order to keep up with bernie sanders when's been out flanking her to the left over the course of the campaign. beyond that, there's the e-mail controversy and while a lot of air is taken out of the sails in recent weeks g...

That seems perfectly clear. she thought it was worth looking like a flip-flopper. michael's point not looking authentic and like she stands by her convictions. when certainie sanders started his campaign he said i will stand up to the billionaire class. i am not of that group. i will be speaking for the people. he has even though he hasn't attacked hillary clinton he positioned her as being part of that business class, part of the insider class, part of the people that don't care about the public. he's done a good job by contrasting himself. hillary clinton is in real trouble. she's trying to ...

Outpolls, but she defeats the republicans. i think it's good for her that the debates are finally going to start. she's been shadow boxing with herself and, frankly, fighting with the media. now she's got some real honest to god combatants on the stage. >> right. >> and so the phoney war ends and the real war begins. and i think she's going to do much better. >> what about all the policy reversal that's we've seen, secretary clinton take? she's against keystone pipeline much she's come out against the trans pacific partnership. there is one other maybe one of you remember this, another reverse...

Are about is in fact differentiating the differences of opinions we have. that is called democracy. that's a good thing. i look forward to a vigorous debate on the most important issues facing this country. >> it is all about the cnn presidential debate. the first time the democrats face-off. here to discuss this is reporter for politico. her first "early start" appearance. >> welcome. >> this is a big move for hillary clinton leading up to the democratic debate. hillary clinton decided it is better to split with the white house and risk being called a flip-flopper rather than taking fire from...

Where she is trying to get ahead of the obama administration. she has done the same on immigration. saying she will go further. this is next in line of those things. it does risk people who will call her a flip-flopper. her opponents are calling that. >> so many people look at these things now with having so much entertainment value. what do you think in this debate is going to, i don't know, be the wild card that people are going to be looking for? what will make people laugh or cry? >> it will be a different debate than the republicans. you have fewer candidates on stage. it seemed to be com...