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The most recent precedent, erica. back in 1998, the articles of impeachment were actually passed on december 19th, but not transmitted to the senate until january 6. so we're not actually coloring outside the lines yet in terms of recent history. i think that she is waiting to see exactly what the ground rules will be, because as before in 1998, the articles of impeachment were transmitted simultaneously with the floor managers. and it's hard to understand or determine what kind of floor managers you want to send into this impeachment trial if you don't know what the groundrules are. let me gi...

Scam, sham. you know, for him. yeah. >> for him. that said, i think the calendar is what one wants to look at. if you've got mitch mcconnell and the white house counsel agreeing on two weeks and getting it done, that's not going to be witnesses and testimony. that's going to be opening arguments from each side. from the floor managers. >> and then closing arguments. >> and then closing arguments. that means the 51 votes that he knows he can count on to shut it all down get it over with quickly because the testimony itself is so damning. uncontradicted by all of the republicans in these hearing...

And this is important. the facts in this story are not in dispute. not among honest people. the president's allies meanwhile remain obsessed with another investigation. senator lindsey graham has now sent a letter to the secretary of state mike pompeo requesting documents related to former vice president joe biden and his communications with ukrainian officials. graham, you may recall, was one of the floor managers of the client impeachment effort, and would be one of the jurors, of course, if trump is impeached and tried in the u.s. senate. this white house looking forward always forward toda...

To ukraine, i want nothing. it's the argument the president wrote in sharpie yesterday on a pad that we all got to see and that a white house spokesman was echoing this evening on fox news. >> the president said i want nothing. >> what do you say to those who say it was right after the house opened their investigation and the president had just become aware that there was a whistleblower about this phone call? >> that's not true. >> despite the denial, those are the facts. and this is important. the facts in this story are not in dispute. not among honest people. the president's allies meanwhi...

We'll have the president's defense counsel there. we'll have the floor managers. we'll hear the testimony. i'm sure that the president and others may offer up motions. we on the other hand are jurors, we have to sit there and be quiet. we'll be listening to the testimony and probably getting on it some time in early january. >> neil: that's right by the caucuses and the primaries and the presidential contest heating up. how do you think that's going to go? >> i think that anybody who is in a democratic primary or republican primary for that matter if they have a job in the u.s. senate they sho...