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Guy with a floppy disk. my guess julie is folks at the white house are not laughing. how concerned are they about this rollout? not just the website but the whole deal. what is their biggest concern? >> that they are in this holding pattern. no one expects the website will be fixed over the next couple of days. november 30 seems like a fairly conservative estimate by some accounts. all we're seeing now is more website problems and more problems with the actual policy. if the conversation switches to the policy away from the website that becomes even more dangerous. there's nothing that they ca...

Guy with a floppy disk. my guess julie is folks at the white house are not laughing. how concerned are they about this rollout? not just the website but the whole deal. what is their biggest concern? >> that they are in this holding pattern. no one expects the website will be fixed over the next couple of days. november 30 seems like a fairly conservative estimate by some accounts. all we're seeing now is more website problems and more problems with the actual policy. if the conversation switches to the policy away from the website that becomes even more dangerous. there's nothing that they ca...

Police officer in wichita, kansas, since 1974 had wanted to catch this guy. we knew beyond any doubt at all, there was not just reasonable doubt, we knew beyond any doubt because we had dna from three different scenes. we knew it was him. after he admits to being btk, he was very upset about the fact that i had lied to him about the floppy disk. and he says, ken, why did you lie to me? and i looked at him and said it was because i was trying to catch you. he honestly thought that i enjoyed communicating with this serial killer and that this was going to go on forever. and he did not have any c...

Steve and i were late in the mac building and it was typical for us to be there around midnight, even 1:00 a.m. because that's when the software engineers really get going and a software engineer came up to steve and he handed him a floppy disk and he said, steve, i think you are going to like this and he turned to him and said is it your best work and the software engineer said it's getting there, but it is really, really good and i'm proud of it. and steve picked up the floppy disk and threw at this time at him and said do it again and didn't even look at him. he had standards that were so h...

A product. it was something that he didn't probably have total control in his own mind of exactly it was going to be even though he was a perfectionist but it took on a life of its own as he passionately worked toward creating it and he was totally you know neen 'nique from anyone i have net high-tech. >> you said the way, with what he believed the important decisions were, they weren't the ones where he had to decide what to do but what not to do. can you give an example of a decision like that? >> sure. steve was brilliant at taking complex things and simplifying them. again, he always did i...