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People. when you have very good rates like you have in california, $50 for a 30-year-old -- >> here's the last question. with all the problems with the website more than a dozen senate democrats -- not republicans -- democrats are now saying put off the penalties, even delay. in one case manchin is saying tkhraoeu -- delay the individual mandate a year. we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should start thinking about delaying penalties. it is not right to penalize people for mistakes the government has made because the exchange isn't working...

Cuccinelli by 7.5 points. cuccinelli trails women voters by 13 points in one poll and by 24 in another. senator brown, for all the talk in the g.o.p. about learning lessons from november 2012 when it comes to single women, when it comes to hispanics, are you guys making the same mistakes again? >> i thought that ad was against me. i thought that was my ad that they were running against me. it's the blueprint they use on republicans. it's something obviously we have to try to deal within a more effective way. i look at obviously cuccinelli's race and governor christie's race. we have a purple a...

1. senator brown republicans apparently decided instead of their earlier policy around the government shutdown, to defund or delay, that instead they're going to sit back, they're going to have oversight haergd -- hearings and they're going to let obamacare happen. is that a smarter strategy? >> i think it is. i don't think anyone wants to shut down the government and go through what they went through before. when the president was in boston it made my boil plan. our plan didn't raise taxes, didn't cut medicare. this one does. it's not even about a website. it is about more than that. it's abo...

Without raising taxes. >> karl, when you look at new jersey and you look at virginia, and i want to pick up on what senator brown said, what's the lesson for republicans? what works and what doesn't work? >> i want to dispute your analysis of virginia as being reliably republican. think about recent governors both serving in the united states senate. this state has been in play for awhile. it's been reliably republican at a presidential level but underneath it's had a lot of democratic characteristics particularly when it came to electing statewide officials. in new jersey chris christie avera...