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Difference between a federal appeals court judge who had been supported by both parties who rules in a certain way, and i think what neera's getting at, which is the rank, direct, blaring racism or name-calling that is different than a policy debate. >> well, again, if you're doing what paul ryan is doing, which is trying to take health care away from poor people, who will die without that kind of asis tax, agai tans. i don't know how different that is from trump calling somebody a name. they're contriving the lies. >> neera helped write obamacare. >> i think the idea that the president says w...

States. they all say they can do better than washington, d.c. we give them that opportunity. >> it also repeals obamacare mandates. do you think that is something the democrats can get onboard with? >> well, jonathan gruber, who helped write obamacare, did a study published in new england journal of medicine, the individual mandate has no effect upon enrollment, according to gruber's study. no effect. what does have an effect is a governor getting behind a project and pushing people to get enrolled. >> so you think just for the governor to say to his constituents or her constituents we need yo...

According to max baucus who was the chairman of the senate financial committee that helped write obamacare. so democrats know they have to act as well and they should be falling over themselves to work with republicans to find an solution. this is an issue that should unite it, it shouldn't divide us. health care is about people, it's about relationships, and we need to focus on lowering costs, improving access and protecting people who are being hurt by the status quo. >> jenny beth, you mentioned off the top in listening to president trump that he mentioned the three stages. i think sean spi...

The point is, leadership calls for tough decisions sometimes. it's never easy. >> one of the things that you want to change is you want to repeal obamacare. >> that's right. >> i should point out that you are a survivor of breast cancer, and we're all very grateful for that. didn't your experience show you that the pre-existing condition part of obamacare is crucial? that there are so many people out there like you, but without your means, who wouldn't be alive if it were not for the part of the law that says insurance companies have to take on people with pre-existing conditions? >> i absolut...

Part of obamacare is crucial? that there are so many people out there like you but without your means who wouldn't be alive if it were not for the part of the law that says, insurance companies have to take on people with pre-existing conditions? >> i absolutely endorse that goal. i did at the time. but guess what? none of that has worked. demonstrably, if you look at the results of obamacare, what you see is emergency room visits are up over 50%. health insurance premiums are up almost 40% now. we're dumping more and more people into medicaid. medicaid is a program that fewer and fewer doctor...