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Looking for tar balls on pensacola beach and finding none. she could have gone to louisiana, where the oil was already smothering the marshes and nobody was cleaning it up. tom sezlar had a bp i.d. and no problem getting past security to get on to the beach. something other reporters were prevented from doing. here's how he described what he saw on the beach. it -- meaning the beach -- was closed so a mighty bp-led force could continue preparing it and be ready to defend it against any oil. that is relevant to bp, but determining how much oil is gushing and spreading ashore, that is not. i tal...

Is pouring out of there every single day? >> how do i say this delicately, let me think? he's lying. lying, lying, lying. the statute says if they show gross negligence it could be up to $4,000 a barrel fine. >> right, first they rule -- >> they first tell us -- i'm the worst lawyer in the world, but i think i could take on the bp legal team. 4,000 barrels a day. they started out saying it was 1,000. they're going to put new estimates, saying it's 80 to 100. 80 times 4,000, i don't know, $32 million a day? >> doug suttles in his own letter to the coast guard, because the coast guard said, your...

How much of a problem is this? >> well, if we have to do that it could be a bit of a problem. and the current projections on the hurricane are going more to the west and north. therefore, we probably dope have to worry too much about it disrupting this. but if one of the models is correct and it comes east and more directly north, then it could be a problem. and one of those models projects the hurricane moving slowly. if it moves slowly, that could be more disruptive than it moving on shore quickly as it's projected now. >> where are we with the issue of containment, and do we understand the ...

Multibeam sonar technology to study a way to determine the flow rate. bp agreed, then changed their mind. that was may 4th. may 19th, lamar mckay, president of bp america testified to the senate that they couldn't measure the leak, and i quote, because the leak is not measurable through technology we know. perhaps he didn't know about the may 4th offer and that technology, but he surely must have known that other scientists, by may 19th, had other technology that they'd come forward with. in fact on may 14th a purdue university professor said 70,000 barrels may be leaking. he said that on our ...

Itself. >> in his speech a little while ago, the president said within a few weeks bp was going to be capturing 90% of the oil coming out of that blowout preventure. what happened today? does that show just how tenuous these projections can be? >> i think that's true and of course we've had other problems with that containment cap in the past when the drill ship was hit by lightning, the tower was hit by lightning of course. and one thing we've seen is that the flow lines from the lower marine riser package, the hydraulic and choke line, they're producing over 10,000 barrels a day. that's sort...