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Records act. >> yes, jim, and i think this is a perfect example what might fall on one side of the law and the other. even if documents are not classified, if you are destroying or removing documents because you want to keep them away from investigators, that's still a federal crime, even potentially obstruction of justice. the ripping up, if stephanie grisham is correct, i have no reason to doubt her, a habit or tick of donald trump, it's thoughtless, strange but probably not a crime. the toilet and i don't get to get overly analytical about a toilet, everyone understands there's only one rea...

Long time. one doesn't flush stuff down the toilet unless they're trying to get rid of it for a reason. stuff like papers, i should say. does it raise questions about intent? >> it obviously -- it's not something you do accidentally. it's not something you do for anything other than to destroy the record. of course politically it's impossible to forget that in 2016 this was the issue that he ran on against hillary clinton. this is going to be a question of is there political hypocrisy at work here. . >> but also, you know, we say this clause in this statute doesn't have the teeth to really lea...

A statement denying the story. but that is stunning, right? >> it is stunning. i moon, if trump was just angry about a document, he could have just ripped it up. but like everything else in his life, this one went down the drain on purpose. and, you know, betsy is 100% right, what donald trump has done is create a jobs program for lawyers. i think, you know, he has to be the worst client i've ever seen for a lawyer to have. and for people like me, i just want to go a couple days where i don't have to be on the show and have a break, but every couple days there is a new legal story because this...