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Putin is forcing us into a different spot. do you believe in extended deterrence? if we bomb ukraine, "what are you going to do"? that's not mutually assured destruction anymore. it's about the no fly zone. he is saying "i will note there if you do this." that is testing her belief in extended deterrence. i am wondering if we believe in it. should we be? and, is a no-fly zone when it's over, in the country itself is asking for? how could that be perceived as an asko act how could that beperceived as a? >> as far as mutually assured destruction, putin broke the rules. >> cuba, let's do it! you ...

Get on the phone and make his case again perhaps even more forcefully than he did after the breach of the nuclear facility and say we need you to help us establish a no fly zone. we need more now from you, from nato and from the united states. >> well, this week, we are getting ready to appropriate $10 billion in emergency aid to ukraine, which will include military and humanitarian assistance, and you know, chris, the issue of the no fly zone, the protector in me, i'm a woman who on both sides of my family, my great grandparents emigrated from what was then russia but now kyiv and odesaodesa,...

Us, that russia withdraw their forces to russian territory. i commanded a squadron in the air force and air force leaders know that we are not going to put our airmen at risk unless we take due diligence before we send them into the skies. sandra, it's important to understand, there are two kinds of no fly zones. a declared no fly zone where you hope the other side won't come up and attack your forces, and there's an imposed no fly zone. we would only, and nato in the past has only made clear that it would do a no fly zone when it first prepared the battlefield, sent in missile strikes and air...

Have their application to the e.u. approved. now after all of this it looks like at least the e.u. application will go through. do you have a message for the western world here, the nato countries and america, of what you think is needed right now? >> i know that the west would not like this but no fly zone is crucial for ukraine right now. if you think that putin will just stop here it is incorrect to think. ukraine was saying russia was a threat before invasion started. now we are telling the world it will not end only in ukraine. his intention is western order of the world that exists since...

Estonia, moldova, georgia, poland. and they will keep going until berlin war. they will continue. you have to show your strength without any military actions through diplomacy. strong sanctions right now i think that was a good start, the right start. >> i will answer this question, i'm sorry. about no fly zone. more important steps for us is introduction of shutting the sky above ukraine because of constant bombing of -- non-military zones, it is all lies. you can come out and see the cathedral, you know, the tragic