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Some make, both sort of mainstream pundits and conservatives as well, the white house that this was not, you know, a sort of showstopper in terms of the performance of mueller himself. obviously he was sort of reticent at times, seemed not to have full command of the report. and as such, if the whole point was a kind of illustrative show, that it didn't do what you wanted it to do. what do you think of that argument? >> i disagree with that. maybe it wasn't a showstopper by the witness, but i think it was an absolutely breakthrough moment for the judiciary committee and for congress and for pu...

The witness, but i think it was an absolutely breakthrough moment for the judiciary committee and for congress and for public sentiment, which abraham lincoln said was everything. you know, what we did was we took this abstraction of obstruction and we made it real in the case of tampering with particular witnesses like manafort, like stone, like, you know, the flynn case. in my case, i was talking about michael cohen. we talked about the president trying to get people to lie, trying to get people to cover up evidence, trying to fire the prosecutors. we really brought it down to the level of f...

Wrong doing." that process other than the criminal justice system for accusing a president of wrong-doing, is that impeachment? >> i'm not going to comment on that. >> in your report you also wrote that you did not want to "potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct." for the nonlawyers in the room, what did you mean by "potentially preempt constitutional processes " ? >> i'm not going to try to explain that. >> that's coming from pay o page one of volume two in the footnote is the reference to this. what are those constitutional processes? >> i think i...

Chris? >> yes, please. >> it's not only ground for launching impeachment inquiry, the reality is that obstruction of justice was the heart of the nixon impeachment and it was the heart of the bill clinton impeachment. congress has established through history and through its own precedents that obstruction of justice is right up there with bribery and treason as a betrayal of the basic oath of office. and that's what trump did. his duty is to take care of the laws are faithfully executed, but he tried to sabotage the laws, he tried to tamper with witnesses and he tried to obstruct justice. we s...

Unsuccessfully somewhat remarkably in the final analysis to divert and disrupt a federal investigation. >> the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction, and that it completely and totally exonerated him. but that is not what your report said, is it? >> correct. that is not what the report said. >> and what about total exoneration? did you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> now, in fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president? >> it does. >> your investigation is not a witch hunt, it? >> it is not a witch hu...