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Charge koerscy. he's not important in the grand scheme of things, it's an example of something that's hanging out there unfinished, i think will be finished in indictments and i think we haven't seen all the fruits of all the cooperators, including gates, including flynn. we know flynn met for a number of hours -- a very large number of hours with them. we may have to wait longer and see some of it through other prosecutions, through other offices. >> and you're not getting out of here this easy. do you think this last round could include some big names? >> i do. i have always thought there se...

Could he hand him off to someone else to charge him? yes. it could be that he's waiting to charge koerscy 00 along with other people. he's not important in the grand scheme of things, it's an example of something that's hanging out there unfinished and i think will be finished in indictments and i think we haven't seen all the fruits of all the cooperators, including gates, including flynn. we know flynn met for a number of hours -- a very large number of hours with them. and we haven't seen the fruits of that yet. i think we will some of it through mueller but we may have to wait longer and s...

Kind of people away from him so they'd have greater control. >> bannon is gone. you always hear the same story about people who work with kushner. nice enough, smart enough, knows nothing about what he was doing. we don't know why he was here, had to tutor him on this. president keep putting him in those situations. let me ask you about one thing in the book without giving too much away. if you have the books page 535. so, context of when the president went to comey and said, be easy on flynn. okay? people say, well, you know, where was his mind? is that really obstruction? i'm not going to ge...

Donald said to me, the russia thing is all over because i fired flynn. i started to laugh. sir, this russia thing is far from over. what do you mean? he said, flynn met with the russians, that was the problem, i fired flynn, that's over. that's right, jared piped in, firing flynn ends the whole russia thing." first of all, all right, that's all you need to know about jared kushner. the president says that. later maybe that same day he goes to comey and says, go easy on flynn. now, why isn't that proof of his mindset that he thought if he could cover up the flynn thing, and make it go away, the...

>> neither is ignorance. >> but there's conduct that may not be criminally chargeable but the president of the united states and his associates should not be engaged in. >> there's a political question in addition to a criminal one as well. mimi, are you trying to jump in there? >> i wanted to add one thing to the conversation about the possibility of more charges coming. it was all of, you know, three weeks ago that we learned about michael cohen's cooperation with mueller. michael flynn's cooperation with mueller. you know, and others. w but those two in particular. flynn met with mueller so...