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Could that be the smoking gun in the obstruction of justice investigation? there's a debate in doj circles about whether the president's clear intent to an instruct the mueller investigation constitutes obstruction if the probe continues. but here, the president pardons or expresses his willingness to pardon manafort for his crimes, including lying to mueller's investigators, might that seal the president's fate when it comes to obstruction of justice? here to help us navigate the day's developments, some of our most favorite reporters and friends, with us from the "washington post," national ...

His cooperation truthfully. it leads to someone like jerome corsi backing out from his, you know, the plea agreement that's been in the works. one of the interesting things i think over the last few days, so both paul manafort and jerome corsi's attorneys have been communicating with rudy giuliani. giuliani said that about paul manafort. jerome corsi said it today in an sbrir. it doesn't feel like a coincidence that both plea agreements break down as they're talking to the president's attorneys and he's out kind of publicly fulminating about this investigation. >> let me stay with you, matt mi...

Assurance that paul manafort would be pardoned. i'm not sure you couldn't surmise that from the president's tweet that we met, he questions the case, the tax case. justice took a 12-year-old tax case. he questions the underlying case. applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike cohen, he refused to break. such respect for a brave man. he never said anything that nice about the commander who captured bin laden, but that's for another show. but don't we have public-facing evidence of both the president's intent and of the signals he was clearly sending manafort as well as the history of his fo...

He sort of lied his way out of his cooperation agreement? >> i think it would be a clear case of obstruction of justice. look, the president has untraveled power under the constitution to grant pardons. but if he does it for a corrupt purpose, it can without -- i think, you know, there are some constitutional scholars that would disagree with this. i think most would say it is a crime and i think it's a relevant precedent that bill clinton when he granted pardons to mark rich at the last days of his term was investigated as part of a criminal investigation by the southern district of new york,...