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Intimidated. it just seems like a bad day for republicans today in trying to defend this president. your thoughts. >> it was a very bad day. in fact, what you're seeing is their defenses are crumbling one by one. all the emphasis on hearsay evidence, that was a very foolish strategy because we are going to start to hear this first-hand information. of course, the administration is blocking it. but is happening here, just take a step back. how all of this is now coming into focus and the pieces are falling into place, this miasma of corruption around trump and giuliani and his cronies and what ...

But the truth is we're left to guess. now was the president really interested in corruption? so far the only thing we heard the president say about corruption of ukraine involves the word democrat. we haven't heard him say anything that has to do with ukraine but only with his domestic political rivals here. if he understands corruption on a deep level and ukraine and has specific concerns about it, he's never expressed them and every conversation he's had, every new briefing he's given, every interview, every document, the only mention of corruption is in connection with joe biden or the demo...

>> this summer we have to all recall the context. joe biden was riding high, he was perceived as -- at the time was there one person that could beat this president? in other words, all trump had to do in his mind-set which was the context of the polling at the time, get rid of the chance of biden, smear him up enough so you don't have any problems because you can beat the other candidates. that's all changed. your thoughts about that charlie? think about the president, why would he logically be obsessed with biden at that point? >> because i think he thought that the ukrainian investigation wo...

Committee are thinking is this the hand we're dealt? are we really supposed to try to find a way to ignore her when we're seeing all this corruption, all this evidence knowing what's coming? so this was a very bad day for the president. and i agree with you that i think this is the danger of the politics of smearing. this is part of their play book. you have to attack them. but it didn't work with ambassador taylor. it's not going to work with lieutenant colonel vindman, and it certainly didn't work with marie yovanovitch. >> and you know who agrees with you? people like chris wallace and bret...

Shows -- displays inconsistencies that can only be explained by either their lying or their reinventing the truth or what we see in that second document is exactly right and there was no discussion of corruption because the president of the united states was not concerned about corruption. he removed the ambassador whose focus was corruption from the ukraine when he removed yovanovitch. so, you know, there's a lot of explaining to do, and i think some of that explaining is going to come next week when we hear from gordon sondland because he knows there was no focus on corruption. >> david, you...