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For a reception to celebrate what? what we want is to make sure that we have access to the secretaries of which he has denied us so that we can sit down and talk about the issues that are affecting us, whether it's criminal justice reform -- >> so he didn't each invite you to a meeting, roosevelt room, let's sit down and really deal with some of the issues that you raise. he invited the caucus to a reception. >> that's basically what he wants to do. that's why initially we only said the executive committee because we want the focus on issues and the way the congressional black caucus works is ...

Like karl rove that have used this to win votes. how do you stop that from has beening again? >> there's two tracks, first, do the right thing, don't stand in the way of people, as good conservatives, don't impede upon one's personal liberty. there's a conservative case for marriage equality. if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. some lawmakers did alaw that law in the cycle. >> i agree, they focused on the economy. >> the exist polls and the primaries in arizona, michigan, scare, awe showed the economy at the number one issue. if you're not out there on principal, then do...

you see him here with governor perry. in his introduction he did not use the word cult or specifically attack romney by name but there was no doubt he had the former massachusetts governor in mind when he drew there is contrast. >> do we want a candidate who is skilled in rhetoric or one skilled in leadership? do we want a candidate who is a conservative out of convenience or one who is a conservative out of deep conviction? do we want a candidate who is a good, moral person or do we want a candidate who is a born-again follower of the lord jesus christ? rick perry is a prompt leader...

You and others. and the president has been saying that they believe there's wiretapping. sean spicer doing his dance on the podium in the white house press briefing room. on monday what do you say if and when comey comes out as believed to say there's nothing there. what do you say? >> well maybe he's got another shoe to drop? maybe he has information. if he didn't, he needs to focus back on what the american people sent him there. if i were him wouldn't keep pushing this narrative but talk about the budget, focus on issues where the average person watching this isn't fixated on wiretapping, b...

I think i would -- >> i would say. >> that he's -- his supporters are very enthusiastic. so there's a little bit of that going on. but i think some of this is the fact that he is -- he's really kind of departing from the message of his campaign. kellyanne conway is really trying to tweet out and do interviews where she says, i understand we're behind. she wants people to understand that they're serious, that they're presidential candidates, that they understand what the numbers are saying to them, but donald trump is really doing what he wants to do in this case. >> hugh, can you understand hi...