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>> reporter: good morning, john. this is the last time we're going to be in this beautiful house chamber. the next step will be before the house. democrats and republicans on the senate judiciary committee. they want this to go as quickly as possible. you're right the house judiciary committee is going to be making history here as they continue the debate and the amendment process of these two articles of impeachment. here's how it's going to work. first it will start with a formal introduction. then you will have each 41 of those members a chance to introduce amendments to those articles. we ...

You're talking about, jo, but it seems the republicans are more interested in making it in the meantime a battle about the process, whether or not enough is being done to call their witnesses and whether it's unfair to the president. why we're hearing that discussion and pushing out the factual discussion is there is a fundamental disagreement between the president and many of his republican defenders about the facts here. remember the president's mantra on this is that his phone call was a quote perfect call. he's said that maybe 80 times, a hundred times since this controversy started. the p...

Wrongdoing to come forward without fear of retribution and the act is that they should be protected. there are witnesses who have come forward that corroborate those facts, and they have been the subject of scrutiny in those depositions and the hearings that will take place this week. the republicans and democrats have had equal time to question the witnesses. i know there is a focus on process. but i would hope at some point in time the focus of this investigation and the focus of the charge that congress gave to the committee is to determine whether the president committed offenses that are ...

Lawrence, thank you so much. it's good to see you. >> good to see you. thank you. i want to bring in former u.s. congresswoman from new york, elizabeth holzman who voted to impeach richard nixon. also with me, jake sherman, senior writer for politico and msnbc political analyst. look, jake, the big impeachment question you pose for democrats is in politico playbook this morning. how do they keep the momentum going. so what's the answer? >> that's a question for them. it's going to be a big challenge as garrett pointed out. >> as the congresswoman pointed out, this bully pulpit that the presi...

This is soviet style rules. >> soviet style rules, norm, i mean, a little bit of hyperbole? this is playing for the camera, because this is critical to moving forward, or is this how republicans really view this? >> soviet style rule, first of all that means that john boehner must have been a czar because these were the rules put in place when republicans were in the majority. but what's pretty clear is, they have no substantive case to make for donald trump. after what we've seen with the phone call and the testimony and the depositions that we've had already, including from those present in ...