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Campaign staffer, he was sent there by the obama administration. >> again, you said infiltrated. >> uh-huh. >> and by the obama administration. not the intelligence community. phillip, let me ask you about this. >> right. >> my understanding from the reports we've seen is yes, this was a person who had a meeting with, who, saw the out a meeting but was not inside the campaign. >> that's right. >> saw the out the meeting looks like under some false pretenses there here. i think there is a question whether this is normal operating procedure for the fbi especially with a political campaign, but i...

Giuliani telling it the "associated press" trump's legal team wants a briefing on classified information shared with lawmakers and may take it to the justice department as part of an effort to scuttle the ongoing special counsel probe. the west fact checker has given trump's spy claim four pinocchios pointing out in theirtive is part of a fog machine it the president has deployed for months against the probe. tonight's roundtable, mara guy at "the new york times," jan kerns, the former spokeswoman for the california party and phillip bump from the "washington post." mara, what do you make of d...

Journalist are asking questions. >> we get dilunged and it is a fog machine. >> harris: that's why it helps to have all of the information. >> there are real facts. >> you are better off than us? harris there could be an interview between president trump and mueller. >> harris: he wants to get the interview if he can. and the president's attorney said we need to know what happened if our campaign was infiltrated. >> and interview the spy. >> maybe they can without the name. you don't seem to have faith anybody. >> congress would use it. >> harris: if you keep saying it is all going to leak. wh...

Discredit the investigation and turn the focus on to the people who participated in it, rather than the -- what they found or what they're finding, still. >> mm-hmm. so, john, i want to bring you in now. because both cnn and matthew's reporting is that the informant was not used for political purposes. so what's your reaction to this new report? >> well, it's clear that the white house is running a fog machine, trying to confuse things. they might have been tipped to fact. this informant had been uncovered. it's hard to tell how much they knew about it. but it's -- obviously, it's the vigilanc...

>> it is the mirage of it is not a real scandal but they are trying to make it one. >> that's the allegation. that we need investigations of the investigation. >> on the political side of the ledger -- you have the legal side and the political side. >> yeah. >> i don't think this stormy daniels thing is politically necessarily helpful to those who would like to see donald trump held to account. >> i think that is -- right now, it has turned the corner to almost potentially helping the president create fog. >> doettle totally. >> on russia. >> part of the fog machine right now. >> it is a compl...