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Death panels and this giant fog machine of lies that was coming all over the debate and drowning out the truth of what was in this thing? >> well, from the moment -- i'm on one of the committees that helped draw this bill together. from the get-go we knew there would be problems that traditionally come up. how do deal with the undocumented? how to deal with the issue of choice? we knew they were coming and frankly we knew that the battle was going to go on within our party over things like an increasing government role, expanding medicare like i wanted to do. some of this, though, was remarkab...

For the health care reform crusade? there's been so much criticism of president obama that he didn't make it clear to the american people what this bill was. how was he supposed to do that in the face of lies about death panels and this giant fog machine of lies that was coming all over the debate and drowning out the truth of what was in this thing? >> from the moment go, we knew we were going to have some issues that traditionally come up, how to deal with the undocumented. those issues we knew were coming and we knew that the battle was going to go on within our party over things like an in...

There's been so much criticism of president obama now among democrats saying he didn't make it clear to the american people what this bill was. but how was he supposed to do that in the face of lies about death panels and this giant fog machine of lies that was coming all over the debate and drowning out the truth of what was in this thing? >> well, from the moment -- i'm on one of the committees that helped draw this bill together. from the get-go we knew there would be problems. how do deal with the undocumented and issue of choice. we knew they were coming and frankly we knew that the battl...

All he did was object few skate, turn on the fog machine, and say next question, right, while throwing a few elbows at the "new york times." >> right. >> if you try to pars it in logical terms his argument would be something like the "new york times" is fake news so it's okafor me to lie to the "new york times." which is obviously ridiculous. >> let's go through it. >> there is that, obviously ridiculous. also, as we all know, when the president, or one of the president's children in the mill of a investigation like this issues any statement, it is to all of us, not to cnn or the ims. >>. you ...

They really do believe that when it came to the email and the server, the reason they were destroyed, because evidence was destroyed. what we -- will he learn everything? probably not. the documents are gone. it does not make sense that somebody would give hundreds of billions of dollars to the clinton foundation for a transaction that hillary clinton had an official role. not the decision-maker, but had a role in playing. it looks bad. it smells bad. the clintons cannot get out of it. it really is wrong that the doj was called off by the obama team windows clear wrongdoing clear wrongdoing by...