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>> you're exactly right. these are two witnesses that are in a very different posture that other witnesses called by congress. they're still cooperating with the government. they still have this hammer hanging over their heads with a potential sentence. you remember at flynn's last appearance before the judge, when the judge was about to sentence him, it didn't seem to go as well as they thought it would go. the judge took a break and said i need to you go back and do a little more. you need to continue cooperating. it's a real threat hanging over them. they have an added insensitive to be coo...

That was obvious. >> but we don't self-police or self-regulate. it just doesn't happen that way. what does the government need to do? we know there's a hearing going on right now. >> right, there's a hearing and i think it's important for the government to talk about this. the thing is most of these things are legally protected speech. the pelosi video was the same thing, shown on fox business by lou dobbs. fox is allowed to do that because we give a huge amount of leeway to people to make fun of politicians, even using this misleading video. i don't think we will see legislation around this. ...

Similar situation here, if every member of congress is doing it, that still doesn't make it right. >> but if there's no punishment, i promise my kids will do it. >> that's exactly right. there has to be accountability and there are regulations like you said right in the beginning that pro hint candidates of getting anything of value from foirn governments for the very basic reason we don't want to have foreign governments or foreign pauschowers interfering our election if we don't know about it. it's a matter of transparency. >> what are the consequences? >> the consequences has to be exactly ...

Impunity. the congress apparently wants to se send letters back and forth that are feckless. until they go to court to deal with the wishes who refuse to show up and people who refuse to produce documents, the president will continue to do this. nobody should be surprised because it's like training a puppy. at some point you have to do something when the puppy pees in the house and they do nothing. >> wow, democrats, i think cynthia just told you the puppy peed in your house. now oppo research, when the president says this is how oppo research works. tell us what that is and how it should work...

We have to accept the fact he won't be dislodged from office even if the senate impeached. that doesn't mean you shouldn't impeach him. there's an argument for institutional accountability and force congress to say there are some acts there has to be accountability for. not necessarily that they're going to get rid of him. but that is a factor in the 2020 election. i have been resistant to impeachment, not fully against it. but if donald trump keeps crashing through these norms and doing things and forcing the hand of people who don't want to act that way and i'm now persuaded impeachment for ...