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Verdict. my son can rest in peace, my family can sit back and say "we got justice for ahmaud." that's something that we just were fighting for, for 18 whole months. 18 whole months, and then it took 74 days. it was looking kind of purple for us because how they were trying to brush it under the rug and how they was trying like he done something wrong when he didn't. you know, my family and children were just in turmoil. >> yeah. >> we just, you know, determined. >> reverend baker, you and marcus have known each other most of your lives. you are one of the leading pastors in brunswick and reall...

Ties, their questioning. she has been charged with interfering with the process of the investigation. what was your reaction to the convictions, congresswoman? >> well, first of all, nothing can take away the pain of the loss of ahmaud arbery, okay. this is something that will never go away. my first reaction was i cried, and i -- the pain of what took place in terms of his senseless shooting, this young man's life is gone. also, when i heard the verdicts, i thought, you know, why is this so abnormal to hear justice? why is it that we have normalized injustice in our psyche? so i was very, ver...

Right after it happened. i think this was one of the first, if not the first national shows you were on, and i promised you national action network and i would fight for justice. this is before we even knew a video existed. a lot of people think we come in late when cameras are there. we were there when we weren't aware there was a camera. and i happened to have lunch with you and reverend baker and attorney crump when the call came to come back to the courthouse. we rushed back to the courthouse and i sat between you and the mother, wanda. i never will forget as they said there's a verdict, s...

Announced? >> -- a weight off of my heart because, you know, it's been a long time coming for us african american people. you know, it is a thing that, good god, i just all glory to god we got that conviction. we got that guilty verdict. ahmaud can rest in peace, because i was just so overwhelmed that we wasn't going to get justice and how the jury would pick. you know, and then i just thank god how the community right around us, black and white people, stuck together and they got this -- they didn't want this in their town, you know. i'm just thinking god for everybody that put their hand in ...

Under 12 months now. and as the family of ahmed arbery marked yet another thanksgiving holiday without him, his father, marcus arbery, and civil rights attorney, attorney general of black america, ben crump, join me with a local pastor, after what i can personally tell you was an intense and revealing trial culminating in a verdict this week that was many things, but most of all well-deserved. why it was people and pictures that got justice for ahmaud arbery when police and prosecutors failed him, that's just a little later in the show. but, first, joining me now is democratic congresswoma...