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And i think we will see -- i'm still shocked that we are not getting the kind of republican participation in this crisis that we need. you know, we probably all thought this morning that maybe we were watching the end of the presidency. our president began to tweet like a mobster, if a mobster tweeted. you better hope there are no tapes or you're going to be sleeping with the fishes. i don't know what the "or else" is but it's a threat. he is threatening the witness. comey is going to testify eventually. and i think the absence of republicans at this point, the refusal to get deeply engaged is...

Joan, it has gotten worse and worse. >> it gets worse every hour. it will get worse while we're sitting here probably, ari. you know, we've got a denial at this point from rod rosenstein that he does not want to appoint an independent counsel. he doesn't think it's necessary. and we have senator feinstein and senator durbin, both democrats, calling for his resignation if he doesn't do so. that is a big step. and i think we will see -- i'm still shocked that we are not getting the kind of republican participation in this crisis that we need. you know, we probably all thought this morning that m...

And joan walsh, correspondent for the nation and msnbc political analyst. joan, it has gotten worse and worse. >> it gets worse every hour. it will get worse while we're sitting here probably, ari. you know, we've got a denial at this point from rod rosenstein that he does not want to appoint an independent counsel. he doesn't think it's necessary. and we have senator feinstein and senator durbin, both democrats, calling for his resignation if he doesn't do so. that is a big step. and i think we will see -- i'm still shocked that we are not getting the kind of republican participation in this ...

Trump will take his case straight to the american people to set the record straight. >> next question, julian barnes with "the wall street journal." >> reporter: mr. vice president, you said u.s. commitment to the eu was steadfast and enduring. is the administration opposed to further disintegration of the eu, countries exiting? and on nato, what is the "or else"? would you recommend cutting the european reassurance initiative, would you cut back on exercises? what's the "or else"? >> i think your second question with a very fair one. what is the "or else"? when secretary mattis was here, he s...

Promise you president trump will take his case straight to the american people to set the record straight. >> the next question, julian barnes with the wall street journal. mr. vice president, you said the u.s. commitment to the eu was steadfast and enduring. is the administration opposed to further countries leaving? and on nato, what is the "or else"? if there isn't more funding this year, would you cut back on exercises? what's the "or else"? >> i think your second question is a very fair one. what is the or else? i think when secretary mattis was here, he spoke very plainly here at nato's ...