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Concerned with? >> in the days leading up to the sixth, we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral -- >> let's hear about some of those concerns that you mentioned earlier in one of your interviews with us. >> having a private conversation with pat late in the afternoon on the fourth, pat was concerned that it would look like we were obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral college count. [inaudible] i'm not familiar with all the legal terms here. obstructing happening on capitol hill and he was also worried that it would look like we were in...

Was photographed with multiple members of the oath keepers. who were allegedly serving as his security detail. >> in fact, oath keeper hours after being seen with roger stone outside the hotel, was photographed on steps at the eastern side of the capitol wearing goggles and other equipment. he is also seen in images near flynn in december. he was arrested last march. he pleaded not guilty for his role in the insurrection. described by prosecutors as having quote forcibly stormed the u.s. capitol equipped with military style gear. unquote. oath keeper josh james who pleaded guilty to sedition c...

Johnson wants nothing to do with these issues. he wants to talk about the economy, inflation, joe biden's agenda, not even talking about the abortion ruling that came down last week. that is what he says will get him another term in office. >> joining us now chief analyst jeffrey toobin, laura coates, david griffin, gloria borger. i want to get your opinion on a conve conversation. >> i had a prooifrt conversation with pat cipollone on the 3rd or the 4th, that pat was concerned it would look like we were obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral college count. i apologize for probably n...

Lawyers said would be foolish to include. >> they were urging the speech writers to not include that language for legal concerns and also for the optics of what it could portray the president wanting to do that day. >> hutchinson offered references to criminality white recounting conversations with the then white house counsel, the aforementioned pat cipollone, and crimes he was worried about involving a plan for the former president to march to the capitol with his followers. >> pat was concerned it would look like they were obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral college count. he w...

Interviews with us. >> having a private conversation with pat late in the afternoon the 3rd or 4th. that pat was concerned it would look like we were obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral college count and i apologize for probably not being very -- my legal terms here, but that it would look like we are obstructing what was happening on capitol hill and he was also worried it would look like we were inciting a riot or encouraging a riot on the capitol. >> in fact, in the days before january 6th, and on january 6th itself, president trump expressed to multiple white house aides he wa...