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Actually suggest that had they limit the amount that people would be able to deduct. he's able to take advantage of it now, but he wants the rest of us not to take advantage of it in future. >> if that goes through, he'll get to do it next year. but everybody is paying higher taxes and it's not good because the economy is very fragile and taxes are going up. i'm not just talking about rich people. i'm talking about your average taxpayer is paying a lot more money. they didn't know it until recently. >> gretchen: a lot of it had to do with the fact that that holiday on the payroll tax went away...

>> thank you, tom. earlier tonight i spoke with gordon chang, columnist for forbes.com and author of "nuclear showdown." he says he doesn't think this will end well. >> he's painted himself into the corner. the legitimacy in this regime is based upon taking over south korea, killing foreigners. and so for him to maintain his position, now that he's said all these things, i think that he has to go forward and do something. i don't think he's going to do it soon because north korea never strikes when we have a high degree of readiness. but they will strike when we're not looking. and these milit...

Make, don't they? >> absolutely correct. the man in the loop has to decide what's the next step. the united nations command in south korea's mission is to maintain the armistice. what that means is there's a north korea and there's a south korea. we've signed up to that. there's nothing in the playbook that says, we are going to reunify this peninsula. >> and yet, don, in the process of handling a launch like that and the potential outflow, there could be a lot of nervous moments as we try to maintain essentially the status quo. >> thank you, tom. earlier tonight i spoke with gordon chang, col...

Syracuse that started the attacks on mickleson and on forbes.com, he was complaining that mickleson was exercising what is basically a human reaction. when we go shopping for something you want to look for the best deal. that's true on any product that you buy. it's also true in the taxes that you're going to pay and because migration patterns are what they are, people decided to go to states with fewer taxes. >> wait a minute. the man you're talking about is professor len berman of syracuse university. he wasn't just complaining about phil mickleson wanting to leave, he mocked him. he said yo...

Syracuse that started the attacks on mickleson and on forbes.com, he was complaining that mickleson was exercising what is basically a human reaction. when we go shopping for something you want to look for the best deal. that's true on any product that you buy. it's also true in the taxes that you're going to pay and because migration patterns are what they are, people decided to go to states with fewer taxes. >> wait a minute. the man you're talking about is professor len berman of syracuse university. he wasn't just complaining about phil mickleson wanting to leave, he mocked him. he said yo...