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Cross it they would withdraw support? and shouldn't the president elevate the conversation and not send it into this ditch that you're describing? >> well, sure. and we encourage the president to elevate the conversation all the time. what would it take? that's a hypothetical for -- to say you would lose evangelical support. the big thing -- and you know this in america, we have the greatest system on earth but it does force choices. what choices do we have? so what would that hypothetical line be? i'm not sure what it would be. but i'm sure there are lines that we'd say, you know, that's just...

Planetary metabolic process that humans are somewhat in control of is kind of driving the planet -- is part of what's driving the planet into global warming and part of what's making the planet hotter and part of what's driving up carbon pollution, and we need to get a handle on that and get a handle on kind of how we're managing this one planet that we have if we want to really start seriously addressing climate change. >> well, there's also these sort of force choices. so, one of the things you'll read about -- and there's a report i think recently about reforestation. so, we've got too much...