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Temperature from having to face his critics at his ankles all the time. martha: there were opening statements and closing statements which i think some people snoozed through. >> the opening statement are a total waste of time. if you want to hear gaffes, you can go and test them. you know it's a collaborative process. you go back and forth with these campaigns. what's interesting and unusual in trump and carson's case, they thought they could go public and try to force cnbc's hands in public. martha: it looks like they did. there are new numbers on the

Chris, is this a win for them? how do you read it? >> the way they won is they don't have anything to lose. it wouldn't bother donald trump or ben carson not to participate. they are tide for first place. they are the frontrunners by a clear margin over the first of the pack. and debates have not been their strongest suit. why debate? it's not like trump can't get publicity. you tell cnbc my way or the highway and they say fine, we were just checking. martha: you could look at it in a number of ways. this presidential elect for the president of the united states. some of them will get 6 or 7

In a war with cnbc, threatening to boycott the network. >> they want to thick this an extra hour. i think it's unfair to the viewers, and they are doing it because they want to make more money. we agreed to two hours and yesterday they came up with this additional long period of time. the networks are making a fortune off this stuff. they never made money, they always lost money with it, now they are making a fortune, i wonder why. martha: cnbc tweeted that they have agreed to the two-hour debate he and carson wanted.