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I apologize. >> yes, right, it is a question on the legal front -- it's a question of intent. but the bigger point here is this has been -- this point that was a strong political point for democrats has been needed. we can say, and rightfully say, there's massive differences in these two cases. and we can go down the list and make a list of why they're different. but politically, in terms of propaganda, it's a blunt force instrument. no one's interested -- when we live in a confirmation era where everyone is trying to confirm their biases and they will take any small threat to do that. this is...

Because i was thinking who takes 20 hour road trip with these gas prices. i mean, -- >> i had to. [laughter] >> okay, so, well, here's the thing about these two cases. i think everyone here has made the point, and rightfully so, that there is a lot of context and nuance between them. the problem becomes that propaganda is a blunt force instrument. we live in an age where people are searching for confirmation. they have a bias towards that confirmation. they want simplistic understanding of things, and saying there is a very simple understanding of the thing. and so, you have the political real...

It as we all should when i had a glass of wateror or thing and encouragenc everybody else o do so. it. >> and that's it. not actually encouraging everyone else is more like requiring everyonee to do so. that and a whole lot of other things that have no scientific justification. but as long as you have a mask in your left hand and you happen to behe the governor of california and you make i the rules, you don't have to obey the rules. that's how it works. so again, these explanations are getting more transparent ex more absurd and that should make you a little worried because when people stop e...

Would stand down if they knew the consequences. but what donald trump very clearly signaled to vladimir putin again last week as he's done in his previous interactions is that there will be no consequences, that this is open season for you, because i am president and i will side with you over my own intelligence community. >> and speaking of the intelligence community, john brennan, peter alexander, as you know, is one of our top intelligence and national security advisers here at nbc and at msnbc. so he is not backing off. he did not comment on the security clearance i mbrioglo bt he did twee...