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They will drive fires. our fuel is very dry because we have a seasonal precipitation regime. we haven't had any precipitation since the winter and we had very high temperatures in the summer. this is all the natural ingredients. i'll tell you what's not natural. we had 15 of our largest record breaking fires since 2000. we had record breaking temperatures over that period. we're getting an earlier fire season. we're getting a hotter drier and the fire season is persisting longer into the winter. it's no coincidence that that increase in temperature which is driven by greenhouse gases is drivin...

When we talk about engaging the no, sir, it forest, it's increasing use. now we have 40 million people living if california. we obviously have to suppress fires to protect infrastructure, people, property and protect lives. that comes at a consequence. we have a unnatural build up of vegetation in our forested areas. that means we have to use other means to counter act that impact. that means thinning. it means removing trees. in some cases that's commercially viable so we can provide a product. in other cases it means thinning the smaller trees to produce energy from that. other cases it mean...

Community. that's not forest. we're not going to be managementing that from a thinning trees perspective. we'll be focusing on protecting the urban interface. building resilient landscapes. >> that's a difference here. he's come plplaining about fore fires but these are urban interfaces. they are treated differently. one final question to you, glen, if you don't address climate change, if you just pretend like it doesn't exist, can you ever address what's going on in california? >> well, we're always going to have fires here. in a sense we're not going to want to exclude them because that will...