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Evolved into a web of lies that nobody that we know on the ground ever stated? other than we were lied to. is there any other plausible explanation? >> no. and it clearly, in my opinion, really was related to the campaign, to the president's narrative that they had wiped out, if you will, terrorism, so to speak. that in getting rid of bin laden they took care of everything. this undermined that whole narrative. it undermined the whole pivot point on which his foreign policy was hung. and if benghazi, the truth in benghazi came out when it should have come out, the president's foreign policy ho...

Ansar al sharia, an al-qaeda-linked group. all of these things taken out. is there anything we read into that's correct the things they took out? >> i go back to what i said, the president was trying to tell america in killing ben laud in he took care of the terrorism issue, and anything that suggested otherwise undermined not only that part of his foreign policy hook, but really if benghazi was as bad as we know know it was, it undermined the approach to foreign policy which the president is completely detached, uninvolved, and frankly, i'm astounded to hear him admitting that he is clueless ...