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He didn't think he was the smaefrt or most core ranges or heroic. he let other people leave and he mentored so many other service members, so many young foreign policy makers. the other thing is i used to see him driving around town in his gray corvette and even one time i saw him pulled over to the side of the road helping somebody change a flat tire. he loved automobiles. he loved to be a hands-on mechanic, and he loved to help people, and he was just a -- i think the best of america. as i said, he came from humble roots, a chief of greatness on the international and global stage but never l...

This rogue group of foreign policy makers with nobody failing to confirm the basic story that came out of the whistleblower's report. and so now the president and his team, they are on the defense and i suspect that this week will be even more damaging. and the president has added to the whole thing with that tweet the other day where he took the kind of action that is actually at the heart of the investigation. so he's not in go on shape and the president supporters have every reason to be worried about how this week unfolds. >> week two includes gordon sondland, u.s. ambassador to the europe...

A complex problem even more complex for his successor. >> is he? >> well, i think any time you deal with an issue like this in the middle east, it's a quagmire. this has been a quagmire for administrations for over 40 years and it's hard enough without somebody playing games like this in the last three weeks. >> governor, we stood by israel and to your point and maybe a quagmire and the settlement issue may be difficult, we've stood by israel throughout and this -- at least in the israeli's views and in many, many foreign policy makers, it feels like a departure from that. is it? >> that's the...

Fervent believe. >> the foreign policy makers were too busy signing letters saying they would never support him to actually go in and brief him. amazing what happens. >> isn't it his responsibility to be briefed and go out and get information? >> of course it is. a big pushback against him and he could have been far more intellectually curious. i'm saying you see the effect when he has people like general mattis around talking to him every day. >> that's the reassuring part of the meeting. this did not seem like a man fixed in his beliefs. it did not seem like a man who had fully examined his ...

>> fundamental strategic mistake that everyone on both sides clings to. that is that if there's any possibility in the lifetime of anyone here of having the iraqis get together, have a unity government in baghdad, that pulls the country together. that will not happen, george. it will not happen in the lifetime of anyone here. secondly, the point is that you have to separate the parties to give them breathing room. you have to get them out of each other's face. >> what's your assessment? >> i actually agree with him. i have to say that the one iraq policy that we've got currently has been, for ...