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Basically everything that was happening in the lead-up to this call.s and so she is prepared to testify before congress, according to people we spoke to, that, you know, she saw -- witnessed rudy giuliani and gordon sondland basically do an end run around the foreign policy process that's traditionally done within the ce white house, specifically on it ukraine, and more importantly that they were doing that and had a direct line to the president. so they were cutting out people like fiona hill, like john bolton, who is the national security adviser and essentially running a sort of shadow fore...

Two things. what might she be able to speak to? and tell us a little bit about her and how she stood out among members of the trump crowd. >> sure. well, first, she was someone who is seen as a real russia hawk. she is an expert on russia, a long-time expert on russia. she's served in the trump administration from the early days until over the summer right before -- right around the time this ukraine call happened. so she would have been privy to brian, basically everything that was happening in the lead-up to this call. and so she is prepared to testify before congress, according to people we...

And tell us a little bit about her and how she stood out among members of the trump crowd. >> sure. well, first, she was someone who is seen as a real russia hawk. she is an expert on russia, a long-time expert on russia. she's served in the trump administration from the early days until over the summer right before -- right around the time this ukraine call happened. so she would have been privy to brian, basically everything that was happening in the lead-up to this call. and so she is prepared to testify before congress, according to people we spoke to, that, you know, she saw -- witnessed ...

These officials who may have given some information to the whistleblowe whistleblower. >> who is the person who gave the whistleblower the information? that's close to a spy. do you know what we used to do in the old days? we used to handle them a little differently than we do now. >> let's get your thought. >> it's so toxic at so many levels. what seems likely reading the whistleblower's complaint is that the people in the white house had a business every day relationship with the whistleblower. there was nothing inappropriate. it's not like there was any sort of spying going on. this was the...

Want, and yesterday i spoke to several people in the foreign policy community that said they were getting calls from intermediaries between jared kushner and others asking for names. it's going to have to be someone that can work with secretary pompeo as you heard lindsey graham say, but it is going to be someone that's going to be more someone who's going to call the foreign policy process as opposed to an adviser. that's why it's going to be so key for secretary pompeo to fill that kissinger role in terms of really advising the president on the best course, not what he wants to hear. >> scra...