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General da -- agenda during the first two years shows he knows how to rebuild our infrastructure, deal with the chips and science bill to take on china's international competitor, to deal with climate change. i think his leadership has been very valuable for our country, and i think he will be shown historically to have been a very effective president. shannon: why do you think the polls don't reflect that? because the numbers get worse when you get into things like immigration, inflation, the economy. people increasingly thinking this president is not getting the job done. >> i think the chal...

Ago for her senate race and put it all in the presidential. now it's like, oh, i don't take big money. she says there's a difference between rich people and me. well, she's rich. you know, she is rich. so i do think she's going to have to be very careful going forward to be friendly, to be strong, but to be willing to be specific on this health care thing, or it could drag her down. i thought amy had a great night too, and i will tell you i think joe biden had a good night. >> mm-hmm. >> he was strong on foreign policy stuff, seemed very authentic and authoritative. he seemed in command. he ma...

>> i think it's tough. and i think that is the chink in her armor. she may be avoiding the specifics because she wants to get back to the middle if she wins the nomination. and if she hasn't gone to specifics, it's easier to do that. that may be a political calculation she is making. but on several things, she is going to have to be careful. you know, she raised big money two years for a senate race and put it all in the presidential. and now it's oh, i don't take big money. oh, there is a difference between rich people and me. well, she is rich. you know, she is rich. so i do think she is goi...

Can't be detached yet he's still detached. what are your sources saying as far as what went down in the white house, what led up to this, was ivanka part of this, was jared part of this? we know jared's going to the mideast next week for his peace talks. >> i would be surprised if ivanka was part of this conversation. had maybe the one conversation she was left out of. look, john bolton's running the show with iran. this is not an area of policy that the president cares about in particular. i don't know that there are many areas that he really deeply cares about. but foreign policy stuff is de...

Reassuring statement. >> everyone's got a lawyer. >> yep. there are big concerns from the beginning. first in the early days, kushner was freelancing on this foreign policy stuff. that led to rex tillerson. some of these seem sanctioned internally but there are concerns in the intelligence agency about what exactly is he saying? in this whatsapp screen shot method i can't imagine is looked upon particularly favorably among those protecting the nation's secrets. it also points to again -- we can go on and on about hypocrisy we see in the white house but it's not just whatsapp communications, it...