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Apple cart. did you ever feel that pressure? >> i felt like i had to do both things. an obligation to carry the banner of the party as best i could. also an obligation to speak the truth. and sometimes that meant speaking truth to power. so if it dealt with race or something else that was uncomfortable for people, i feel it was better for me to bring it up, to broach the subject, to get the conversation started and to get people reacting to it than to stand back as if it did not exist at all. leadership is, in fact, stepping forward. so in many respects, there is that pressure, this unspoken p...

Over the delegate count in michigan. what say you? >> isn't life wonderful? this is all absurd, they are battling over one or two delegates they both have more to worry about. it makes them look small. if you are running fors of, whether it's mayor or governor or president, if you want to be a leader, you want to look big and bottom the fray, you want to look like auto visionary and when you get meyered in this stuff, in the worst, let your campaign managers do it. >> you can say the fight began over the robocalls that the santorum campaign placed. let's listen, this is what the romney camp al...