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National media comes and without that a lot of times the world does not pay attention but then it becomes hard -- i wonder if you agree. hard to create a broad coalition of national sympathy for your position when you're being violent in that way toward property and the police so you get the attention but then you lose people's sympathy, so you're taking one step forward perhaps and three steps back. >> the great strategic conundrum. it gets you a heck of a lot attention, if you can deconflict it and see it's not the same thing as constructive change you can get to a better strategic place but...

It becomes hard -- i wonder if you agree. it becomes hard to create a broad coalition of national sympathy for your position when you are being violent in that way toward property in your community, toward the police. so you get the attention but then you lose people's sympathy, so you're taking one step forward perhaps and three steps back. >> the great strategic conundrum. the violence builds nothing. it gets you a heck of a lot attention, if you can deconflict it and see it's not the same thing as constructive change you can get to a better strategic place but right now people are saying yo...

Worse. i know that is hard to believe sometimes, but places like the super-max, where you are locked up in a cell 23 hours a day, if that is where he was put and mcveigh, and mcnichols, the shoe bomber and sean knows about it fbi, we filled up that bombers row, and it is awful and worse than death in my opinion. but she will try to save his life even to put him there. >> jim, i believe you on that front. but just to remind people there is no death penalty in the state of massachusetts. the reason this is on the table is because this is a federal case. but all of the jurors are a resident of ma...

Florida, a little known part of the civil rights movement. i think people know about birmingham, selma, montgomery -- >> they don't talk about florida. >> not very much. it was a ruthless place with a very intense klan presence. and king considered it the most lawless community that he had ever worked in. and he was in jail there the 11th, the 12th and 13th with the commencement scheduled for the 14th. >> he made it, though. got out of jail, flew immediately up to springfield. the speech he delivered. i sent this out to my followers. i read a lot of martin luther king, sermons, speeches, lette...

In the, the table factory. >> table factory? [ laughter ] oh, its this the right idea? or the right idea? >> i get what they're saying. they're saying some word. that make a lot of sense. they're not using -- they're using real people. real people who can't act at all. >> yeah. >> didn't memorize the script. looking offcamera at the cue card with no emotion. doesn't help make the cause very well. >> interesting, paul. what are your thoughts? >> i think it is brilliant. when i think of innovative. forward thinking. open mined people. i want to hang out with people at a rally aurt ban outfilters...