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Correct that if there were applications proved under fisa to surveil conversations in the trump tower, i think those are legitimate and disturbing questions to be raised. it's more disturbing when it involv involves fisa. i was introduced to them as a young intern and became a lifelong critic of it. i've litigated cases since then. the standard is very low. applications are rarely if ever turned down. literally only a couple applications have been turned down in the history of that law because it was written largely to evade the fourth amendment protection. there is a protection under fisa tha...

Millions of bits of americans information. turns out they were taking billions of phone call records on a daily basis. so them lying to us has really developed a credibility gap on our part. >> before we get to the credibility gap, i'm curious, are you saying that the supreme court can be wrong on the constitution? or are they the last word and we have to accept it as gospel? >> well, you know, i think most of us believe scott was wrong, i think most of us believe plesy versus ferguson was wrong. we do overturn things. i have always felt that the records that you have when they're being held b...

Protocols to try to protect -- they are human, they do not always get it right but they try to protect the information of those people who are u.s. citizens and therefore entitled to fourth amendment protection. two they always get it right? no, but there are an elaborate set of protocols. if you want to go the edward snowden route, i hear that -- >> tucker: please do not call names, you are name calling. i'm not being critical of the intel agencies, i'm being critical of you because i don't think you really know to what extent they are following those protocols because i don't think your comm...

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