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So some notion that they're recording your phone call or reading your e-mail is just wrong. >> really? how do i know that, because mr. clapper got up and said that there was no surveillance of americans citizens. he turned out to be lying. congress doesn't have oversight of this. just your committee. the average congressman does not have access to this data. so how can i believe that? why should i believe that? >> you have a bipartisan group who, again, were skeptics, including crazy left wingers like michelle bachmann, who looked at this program. we oversee this program. we set up the poetcal...

Holding t but we think a private entity holding it would be even worse. >> it opens it up to privacy concerns across the board. there is no such oversight. the reason that decision was important, it looked at all the oversight issues in the ruling in the judges' opinion. very important. >> there's another ruling that direct directly disagrees. >> he said this is probably going to get overturned. why? 15 judges, 36 rulings, all of them upheld that this program is lawful and meets the fourth amendment test. and then you have hundreds of appellate decisions since maryland v. smith that uphold the...

Holding t but we think a private entity holding it would be even worse. >> it opens it up to privacy concerns across the board. there is no such oversight. the reason that decision was important, it looked at all the oversight issues in the ruling in the judges' opinion. very important. >> there's another ruling that direct directly disagrees. >> he said this is probably going to get overturned. why? 15 judges, 36 rulings, all of them upheld that this program is lawful and meets the fourth amendment test. and then you have hundreds of appellate decisions since maryland v. smith that uphold the...

Holding t but we think a private entity holding it would be even worse. >> it opens it up to privacy concerns across the board. there is no such oversight. the reason that decision was important, it looked at all the oversight issues in the ruling in the judges' opinion. very important. >> there's another ruling that direct directly disagrees. >> he said this is probably going to get overturned. why? 15 judges, 36 rulings, all of them upheld that this program is lawful and meets the fourth amendment test. and then you have hundreds of appellate decisions since maryland v. smith that uphold the...