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He was is an incredibly influential media personality. i know him from the veterans community. we have worked together in the past on some issues. but i think this underscores the power of this influence journalism that's coming out of the certain parts of the media, fox in particular. on the issue in particular, i think that's what should alarm all americans. i'm actually having a conversation with you about why it is a bad idea to pardon war criminals. it is a crazy idea. it is bad for our national security. it is bad for our troops and global standing. but right now apparently it is an idea...

He had this press conference. he rushed out of the meeting. he had this press conference. afterwards, in which he literally told the american people he was going to take all his marbles on legislation that affects their lives like inf infrastructure and go home until oversight was ended. and then he like attacks nancy pelosi for basically not being up to the job. and i think the issue is i agree you have to detect a pattern, but i think the media has a role in finding out why he acts this way, why did he have this meltdown? why is he doing these things instead of covering the fight. what he re...

How much blame do you put? >> well, you know, i wonder whether this climate that we're in made donald trump possible rather than donald trump making this climate possible, if you see what i mean. >> yeah, yeah. >> people have begun to worry. we live in a time today, brian, as you well know, where what is true can be made to seem false. and what is false can be made to seem true. and that allows our national leadership to start saying things like fake news and the media is the enemy of the american people. we are the american people. madison said that freedom of the press is the right that guar...

As well as the media and the democratic field. how are you seeing the democratic candidates handle this? >> i think the thing we all need to understand -- and this is all dissent a little bit. this is not rational behavior by president trump. economy is strong, rates are low. any other president would have higher approval ratings. even donald trump would probably be a strong candidate for election if he had been silent since election day. the noise hurts him, but he can't help doing it. it's not rational behavior. that's the beginning of how to understand with it. pete buttigieg said this is f...

But it's become our new normal. >> and the idea that the president hears this stuff from fox news personalities sometimes on the air, other times privately, on the phone or in meetings, that's part of what makes this world upside down. >> yeah. absolutely. i mean, if the president is listening right now, which i doubt he is, don't do this. bad idea. bad for america, bad for our troops. i don't care what pete or any other talking head says. this is bigger than a quick political win that it might afford you with your base. this is about america's sons and daughters. that's the bigger picture. we...