Hope and inspiration rather than out of fear. my favorite waiting is that president biden are trump be in them consistently and young people in this country and beating them among the independent voters. which are the biggest voting court today. with the first time in history, self-identity and independence outnumber both democrats and republicans 43 percent identify as independence, 27 percent democrats, 27 percent republicans. so that cohort i dominate and our challenge is getting the baby boomers and at this point the television networks won t let me on except for fox but the major networks won t led me on, and that is a big obstacle to us and if we can break down that barrier we are pretty confident
Appeals process, and i think, ari, you re right, i don t think he has a credible ground for appeal. he ll try a lot of stuff, but nonetheless, i think at this moment before the election, i don t see a realistic chance that trump is going to jail for this set of offenses. and again, that ston contrary to what trump s lawyers said. and they make legal arguments like you do, but they do stuff you don t typically do, neal. they ve used the court to make sort of political statements, to make nonlegal claims. they also, of course, were rebuked at times for that. so even though it s a lawyer talking, i wonder how skeptical we have to be about whether they re trying to play into the grievance politics. oh my god, what if i were jailed right before rnc, which we saw trump talk up on the gag order, and then it was echoed on fox as if it would be a miscarriage of justice for him to go to jail over the gag order. leaving aside the intricacies of that, we all lived through it, he was never put in jail for the
The people who push the lies. we have seen several of trump s aides and lawyers indicted or convicted for the same 2020 efforts. others facing sanction like they won t be allowed to practice law anymore. fox paid one of the largest defamation cases in history, you see it right here, again, over these lies and other cases related continuing, including the $2 billion plus smartmatic case. it turns out lying about the election is very, very expensive and that s the way it s supposed to be. nobody actually goes to prison in defamation cases but they set a cost that s so high, even businesses that are only interested in profits, maybe not honesty, have to back down sometimes. it seems that keeps happening as long as people keep repeating trump s election lies. we ll be right back. and it could strike at any time. think you re not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you re over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist
So as the jury foreperson spoke in real time, we were still waiting to learn. it could have been 34 not guilties. it could have been a split, depending on the counts. some involve trump s own signature, for example, others had documents that he himself did not create. you could have had guilty on some and not guilty on other counts. unlike breaking news where reporters first confirm a fact and then go share it, we were all getting that same new information and those facts in real time. we just aired that moment from cnn and fox. now here tonight is how that news broke on msnbc. we ve got a verdict, ari melber? we are looking at count one, guilty. count two, guilty. count three, guilty. count four, guilty. count five, guilty. those are the first five counts
Manhattan criminal court house where alvin bragg works. donald trump does not understand these people. thurgood marshall constance baker motley, alvin bragg. people who work for government salaries never trying to get rich. dedicated to what for donald trump is just a word. a word he does not understand. justice. he has now met justice thanks to alvin bragg. while alvin bragg was in church donald trump was on fox and friends he famously said regarding hillary clinton, lock her up! . you declined to do it as president. is easier when you win. and i could ve done it, and i felt it would ve been a terrible thing and then this happened to me.
Also with us is lisa rubin. everyone a veteran of the trump courtroom. it s not that we cannot break up the gang. it is that there s still more to talk about. andrew, over the course of this weekend we saw the two contrasts that we saw in the courtroom. here is alvin bragg teaching sunday school to kids as he does every sunday and there is donald trump telling fox i could have locked her up. i never said i would, and going on in that deranged way of his. this is after him being convicted on thursday. he is still in some kind of trump mode about this imaginary powers. as i said when we saw his
Of theatrics that because i think this is he should go to jail right. what did you make a lot of basically saying he had an open mind? he did not have an open mind about the lab leak. fauci had lied about everything from the beginning. admitted that 6 feet social distancing with this kind of made up. he told friends two months into covid that masks don t work. he claimed he had nothing to do with school closures. we can go on and on. that another part of the testimony where he says that he blamed due to two 3000 covid that s on podcast there s for spreading misinformation about vaccines. i would like to say as unvaccinated podcast or twenties my words carefully here, anthony apology can go bpp himself. [cheering and applause] how was that, that was good for fox, right? laura: greg: know was good.
And the republicans could not find a single thing to backup the horrible lies that some of them have told about dr. anthony fauci. when republicans could not come close to making their accusations about dr. anthony fauci stick because the kind of thing that works on fox does not work when anthony fauci is there to answer questions, the republicans shifted to complaining about cruelty of animal to animal research. the animal experiments that are conducted by and funded by nih go through strict regulations of the proper use of animals and research. with all due respect, i m not trying to be confrontational. nobody knew what she was talking about.
100% of the people noted trump was convicted. this story is right. there are being fed us up meat. want to be on rackets, have submitted fundraiser religions as we re walking fox that s fine. but he has a pretty clear open field now to talk about what he wants to do in a second term, which i think just po wide been pretty devoid of any of the campaign. so far. so i think he has a big advantage here. and. anybody that has any respect for the jury system of which i think most people do. i know. i do. i m always been taught that juries were both integral part criminal justice system. so i m i m not too big president biden. i mean, certainly you can say something he wants to say. throat met upon raise, alluded to it every now and then, but everybody knows about this. we re going to know about two sentencing or nobody all of the appeals and all the stuff coming up at this story has got a lot of fuel on its own. that s my view. it does seem to your point, if he s talking issues of actually what he wants to do
Fauci. when republicans couldn t even come close to making their accusation today and because of the kind of thing that will work on fox does not work when anthony fauci is there to answer questions. the republicans shifted to complaining about cruelty of animal research. well, the animal experiments that are conducted by and funded by nih go through strict regulations with the research. i m not trying to be competent. i m not sure what you re talking about. no one knew what you were talking about. he asked dr. fauci about the threats that he lives with every day. and there have been