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Very bad things about her for a long period of time. not good. >> from "not good" to "she may be a wonderful woman." and we have to wonder on this very bad day in a very bad week for trump if he's finally realizing that the impeachment inquiry into his dealings with ukraine is picking up steam and he can't stop it. the white house is trying to delay and slow it down and publicly push their talking points that there was nothing amiss about the july phone call. president trump again today called it a perfect call, and secretary of state mike pompeo, who earlier this week flat-out said that he is...

President trump again today called it a perfect call, and secretary of state mike pompeo, who earlier this week flat-out said that he is taking all of his direction from the white house, saying this. >> i think the only ones who thinks zelensky was pressured are a hand. of folks in the media and folks on capitol hill who are trying to take down this president. >> no pressure. perfect call. an ambassador sacked, who has now had the chance to speak directly to congress. a bad day in a bad week for president trump. he lost on three big legal fronts today as well. an appeals court rejecting trump'...

>> i was on the call. i listened to it and it was consist went what president trump has been trying to do to take corruption out. i found that to be wholly appropriate to try to get another country to stop being corrupt. >> everyone is back with me. so, ann, two different situations there, shall we say. we start with pence. he's involved with this whether he likes it or not and from what we understand he's the one that delivered the message of no aid and maybe he didn't understand the whole context of what he was a part of. >> what's interesting is pence has been out of the hurricane largely t...

Authority in a normal way. vice president pence had an interview on fox where he essentially said the same thing. according to this complaint, people in the white house are worried about this call, what it meant about what the president was doing with his authority. >> and because of the pattern of behavior that led up to it, which will be critical in the investigation where you have the allegation that it was widely understood inside the administration that the ukraini ukrainians would not get the meeting he wanted. it's the context of the call that becomes much richer and clearer. you see th...

Start with you. what we know about the whistleblower complaint if, it's true, accurate and the transcript of the conversation is accurate, is that a crime? >> i think there's a pretty good argument that it's potentially a violation of the bribery statute. he's a public official, the president was a public official, seeking something from a foreign government official and potentially offering something in exchange, an official act in exchange. so it's not detailed in the text of the call we have itself, but there are references in the conversation to defense arrangements that were between the t...